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and i think even in egypt when you have morsi says, well, the egypt of today is not like the egypt of yesterday. the arab world of today is not like the arab world of yesterday. but fundamentally the mandate now, the mandate of morsi and the mandate of the muslim brotherhood in egypt is to govern this burdened country 80 million some people and the idea that the egyptians even the egyptians with the closest to hamas that they would give a kind of veto over their own policies to hamas i don't give that much credence. >> do you believe the israeli/egyptian peace treaty which was signed in washington in 1979 will survive? >> i believe the egyptian/israeli treaty will survive because it's important for both parties. i think the peace was made and kept by mubarak. i think now the morsi people will not pay homage to this piece, they will not praise it in full daylight but they will abide by it because they know it's essential for their relationship with the united states and for their ability to floetd loans from the international monetary fund and to keep this economy and this society aflo
and i think even in egypt when you have morsi says, well, the egypt of today is not like the egypt of yesterday. the arab world of today is not like the arab world of yesterday. but fundamentally the mandate now, the mandate of morsi and the mandate of the muslim brotherhood in egypt is to govern this burdened country 80 million some people and the idea that the egyptians even the egyptians with the closest to hamas that they would give a kind of veto over their own policies to hamas i don't...
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there have always been historic ties between gaza and egypt. egyptians are very sensitive to everything that goes on in gaza. >> many tunnels from egypt go into gaza to get supplies. >> absolutely. in fact, under mubarak it was much easier because mubarak couldn't care less about hamas. this is a very different issue here, because the muslim brotherhood in egypt really is the mothership, if you will, of hamas and other such organizations. but what will the egyptians do. they have recalled their ambassador from israel and they have told their people that look, president morsi is talking to president obama about bringing the fighting to a halt so that's one thing that we can look forward to. one thing that's very important, tomorrow is friday. there has already been calls for massive demonstration, a million people march, in cairo against the israelis. i think this will be the one country and the one theater to watch. >> fuad, thank you. sara, stay safe. thank you very much. let us know what you think. >>> up next, former cia director david petra
there have always been historic ties between gaza and egypt. egyptians are very sensitive to everything that goes on in gaza. >> many tunnels from egypt go into gaza to get supplies. >> absolutely. in fact, under mubarak it was much easier because mubarak couldn't care less about hamas. this is a very different issue here, because the muslim brotherhood in egypt really is the mothership, if you will, of hamas and other such organizations. but what will the egyptians do. they have...
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there had been rioting in egypt and of course, this is the contradictory thread of the narrative here, that it was riots that -- in egypt that led to the attack on the embassy in libya on the consulate in libya. so he's going to talk about having these two threads of information but his sense right from the start that it was a terrorist attack by answar al sharia. a pretty murky group, loose collection of characters. >> this is interesting to me. just to be clear, your source is saying general petraeus knew almost immediately or felt that it was a terrorist attack, knew the group involved, even though he told members of congress three days after the attack that it could have been spontaneous and there's also the statement made by the director of national intelligence on the dni the end of october who put out a statement saying in the wake of criticism of ambassador rice, saying that early reports indicated it might have been linked to -- might have been a spontaneous demonstration and ambassador rice went out on sunday saying -- five days after, saying it was possibly -- early reports
there had been rioting in egypt and of course, this is the contradictory thread of the narrative here, that it was riots that -- in egypt that led to the attack on the embassy in libya on the consulate in libya. so he's going to talk about having these two threads of information but his sense right from the start that it was a terrorist attack by answar al sharia. a pretty murky group, loose collection of characters. >> this is interesting to me. just to be clear, your source is saying...
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how do you deal with that, egypt and jordan both condemning israel, your two allies in the region. they're saying, your prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, overplayed his hand and is possibly undermining israeli security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong and right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. more jews living in gaza, it was supposed to become the singapore of the middle east, but instead, they turned it into a launch pad of thousands of missiles, there's nothing to talk about. we have to defend ourselves. we owe it to ourselves and we owe it to the western world. with terror, you don't talk. there's no dialogue. you're putting the western world at greater risk. >> you know, if new jersey was being bombarded by missiles coming from a foreign state, the united states of america would retaliate, would stop that right away. we've taken missiles for the past eight years coming out of the gaza strip. we vacated the gaza strip. there's not one jew living there, yet instead of turning it into a haven of peace, they've turned i
how do you deal with that, egypt and jordan both condemning israel, your two allies in the region. they're saying, your prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, overplayed his hand and is possibly undermining israeli security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong and right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. more jews living in gaza, it was supposed to become the singapore of the middle east, but instead, they turned it into a launch pad of...
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senior fellow of middle eastern studies -- let me start with you and where you're standing tonight, egypt and jordan both condemning israel. your two allies in the region. they're saying your prime minister netanyahu has overplayed his hand and probably is undermining his security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong side and a right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. what israel is doing now is the right thing. weaver defending ourselves. that's the right thing to do. >> is neftali right? there's a wrong side and a right side? >> it'not as simple as that. it's not as black and white as that, unfortunately. on the other side, there are also people who are dying. 20 people have died today. dozens more injured and i suspect overnight, we will see more deaths, so the carnage on both sides doesn't help anybody. >> with what we've seen that is so disturbing, what is next? is there the peace talks somehow out of this, hard to imagine, start again? >> you know, when someone is determined to eliminate you, when they're own charter says they ha
senior fellow of middle eastern studies -- let me start with you and where you're standing tonight, egypt and jordan both condemning israel. your two allies in the region. they're saying your prime minister netanyahu has overplayed his hand and probably is undermining his security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong side and a right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. what israel is doing now is the right thing. weaver defending...
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israel had said that it held off the bombing for two hours because egypt's prime minister was inside gaza meeting with hamas leaders and the palestinians for their part are denying that. they're disputing it. this week's fighting we know this has left more than 200 people injured. three israeli soldiers are dead, there are reports of civilian israelis dead as well and 24 palestinians killed in gaza and israel is amassing tanks near the border with gaza and called up 16,000 army reservists. let's get you straight to cnn fred plaiken live in jerusalem at this hour. this is extraordinary. what do we know? where did the rockets land near jerusalem and what is being said about this? >> ashleigh, you're right. it is extraordinary and very much out of the ordinary many in jerusalem. the air raid sirens went off a little less than an hour ago. we could hear them. you heard a thud later on. what we're hearing from the israeli military is the rocket or missile hit somewhere south of jerusalem. they're still looking for the impact sight and haven't found it yet and believe that it landed in an
israel had said that it held off the bombing for two hours because egypt's prime minister was inside gaza meeting with hamas leaders and the palestinians for their part are denying that. they're disputing it. this week's fighting we know this has left more than 200 people injured. three israeli soldiers are dead, there are reports of civilian israelis dead as well and 24 palestinians killed in gaza and israel is amassing tanks near the border with gaza and called up 16,000 army reservists....
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egypt's prime minister paid a visit to gaza. somehow that going so far? >> well, it was originally planned it would be a three-hour cease fire while the egyptian prime minister was making this visit to gaza. according to our sources, it doesn't appear either side significantly reduced their level of military activity in gaza. certainly before the sun came up there was an intense air attack on gaza itself. it may have been lessened somewhat in the morning while the prime minister was touring gaza. but after he's gone, it's expected to get back to the same pace. >> there are elections coming up not too long from now in israel. palestinians are saying that may be part of the impetus for israel to be taking action. >> certainly this is what you hear oftentimes. tc it was the casame case in the 2008, 2009 offensive. they say the leaders are motivated by a desire to show they're strong on hamas. in fact, we spoke to one palestinian lawmaker who stressed the point that really this is all about politics. >> and ben, of course, one of the big concerns right now --
egypt's prime minister paid a visit to gaza. somehow that going so far? >> well, it was originally planned it would be a three-hour cease fire while the egyptian prime minister was making this visit to gaza. according to our sources, it doesn't appear either side significantly reduced their level of military activity in gaza. certainly before the sun came up there was an intense air attack on gaza itself. it may have been lessened somewhat in the morning while the prime minister was...
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now suddenly hamas is close to egypt. >> so how do we pressure morsi and egypt? they want billions from us. they want billions from the imf. >> well, that's the way you do it. is that the egyptians also have a stake in this not getting out of hand. israel doesn't want the relationship to break down totally. egypt doesn't want to forfeit its relationship with us, $4.8 billion sitting there in the imf, the $2 billion annually. >> the imf's not going to give them the money if they are seen as being sponsors of hamas, are they? >> that's why this is the balancing act. what we have to make clear to the egyptians is you're no longer simply a party. you're now the government. you're going to rein in people over whom you have some influence. >> is the president passing that message along to morsi and the egyptians? >> i would hope so. the age of unconditional american relationships with a lot of these regimes is over. remember a few months ago during the campaign, the president was asked in the telemundo interview, he was asked, do you consider egypt an ally or adversary
now suddenly hamas is close to egypt. >> so how do we pressure morsi and egypt? they want billions from us. they want billions from the imf. >> well, that's the way you do it. is that the egyptians also have a stake in this not getting out of hand. israel doesn't want the relationship to break down totally. egypt doesn't want to forfeit its relationship with us, $4.8 billion sitting there in the imf, the $2 billion annually. >> the imf's not going to give them the money if...
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other protests happening in the west bank and egypt and jordan. they're protesting israel's strike on the gaza strip in retaliation to those hamas rockets. a tiny palestinian territory that's wedged into israel. hamas is reporting that 19 palestinians died in missile strikes. israel reporting that three citizens have been killed. and those rockets continue to rain overnight. this is a, a video claiming that this rocket was aimed at tel aviv. cnn cannot independently confirm the authenticity of this, though, video. dan danny aialen. let's talk first about the cease-fire. it seemed like it didn't really stick. what's the situation on the ground there right now? >> the situation is that the hamas keep trying relentlessly to aim more rockets, and indeed they do fire rockets at israeli populations. and indeed israeli citizens, like any other people, deserve peace and quiet so they can go about leading their lives and they have not been able to do it for the last seven years. ever since israel left gaza altogether, we gave gaza to the palestinians, and
other protests happening in the west bank and egypt and jordan. they're protesting israel's strike on the gaza strip in retaliation to those hamas rockets. a tiny palestinian territory that's wedged into israel. hamas is reporting that 19 palestinians died in missile strikes. israel reporting that three citizens have been killed. and those rockets continue to rain overnight. this is a, a video claiming that this rocket was aimed at tel aviv. cnn cannot independently confirm the authenticity of...